Obama intends to rule just as W did. I posted this link on my Facebook page last night:
White House Is Drafting Executive Order to Allow Indefinite Detention; Move Would Bypass Congress
The Obama administration, fearing a battle with Congress that could stall plans to close Guantanamo, is drafting an executive order that would reassert presidential authority to incarcerate suspected terrorists indefinitely, according to three senior government officials with knowledge of White House deliberations.
Such an order would embrace claims by former President George W. Bush that certain people can be detained without trial for long periods under the laws of war. Obama advisers are concerned that bypassing Congress could place the president on weaker footing before the courts and anger key supporters, the officials said.
Ya think? “Change you can believe in?”
And let the mind-fuck begin:
One administration official suggested the White House was already trying to build support for an executive order.
“Civil liberties groups have encouraged the administration, that if a prolonged detention system were to be sought, to do it through executive order,” the official said. Such an order can be rescinded and would not block later efforts to write legislation, but civil liberties groups generally oppose long-term detention, arguing that detainees should either be prosecuted or released.
Um…what civil liberties group has suggested this? This is just a flat out lie by the Obama Administration. I’m a card-carrying sustaining member of the ACLU and I’ve not gotten any word from them that this would be an acceptable solution. As the article implies, the ACLU has always asserted that our system is fully capable of either trying or freeing these detainees. Their position has always been that the government has a duty to either charge and try the detainees, or set them free. End of discussion.
Always with his eye on the next election, and fearing a backlash from his own party, Obama has done a bit of a 180 on the “national kangaroo security courts.”
Some of Obama’s top legal advisers, along with a handful of influential Republican and Democratic lawmakers, have pushed for the creation of a “national security court” to supervise the incarceration of detainees deemed too dangerous to release but who cannot be charged or tried.
But the three senior government officials said the White House has turned away from that option, at least for now, because legislation establishing a special court would be both difficult to pass and likely to fracture Obama’s own party. These officials, as well as others interviewed for this story, spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about internal deliberations.
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Three months into the Justice Department’s reviews, several officials involved said they have found themselves agreeing with conclusions reached years earlier by the Bush administration: As many as 90 detainees can not be charged or released.
Why? Because we fucked up? Yes, that is what it boils down to. And it’s time for We the People to wake up and understand, if this can be done to these detainees, it can be done to us. Once a president or a government asserts that it has the authority to set aside the law for a particular group, there is nothing to stop them from doing it again and again and again.
Finally, for a Constitutional scholar, Obama sures seems in the dark about what his duties are and what powers belong to Congress. (Note that it is the legislative branch which is addressed first in the Constitution, not the executive. Also take note of which article has a more detailed list of powers.)
Lawyers for the administration are now in negotiations with Sens. Carl Levin, D-Mich., and Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., over separate legislation that would revamp military commissions. A senior Republican staff member said that senators have yet to see “a comprehensive, detailed policy” on long-term detention from the administration.
“They can do it without congressional backing, but I think there would be very strong concerns,” the staff member said, adding that “Congress could cut off funding” for any detention system established in the United States.
Concerns are growing among Obama’s advisers that Congress may try to assert too much control over the process. Earlier this week, Obama signed an appropriations bill that forces the administration to report to Congress before moving any detainee out of Guantanamo and prevents the White House from using available funds to move detainees onto U.S. soil.
“Legislation could kill Obama’s plans,” said one government official involved. The official said an executive order could be the best option for the president at this juncture.
Oh well, then, that settles it. We musn’t let anything as mundane as the separation of powers get in the way of the monarch we’ve elected now. I guess the Constitutional Scholar is unaware of Article Two, Section 3 which states:
He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information on the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient;
And if there is any doubt as to which branch of government should be dealing with the fate of the detainees, Article One, Section 8 enumerates the the duties of Congress. Among them are these three that follow in succession:
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
The President gets to recommend legislation. The Executive Branch doesn’t get to legislate by Executive Order, and he most definitely is not allowed to go around the courts or Congress to lock up even one person without charge or trial, let alone 90.










Posted by Ben on June 27, 2009 at 8:33 am
RE:he most definitely is not allowed to go around the courts or Congress to lock up even one person without charge or trial, let alone 90.
Simply put, America’s criminal law does not apply to enemy combatants. America is at war with Al Qaeda. Those who are associated with Al Qaeda and engage in destructive acts against America and her interests are considered to be enemy combatants.
“The authority to detain enemy soldiers in order to prevent their return to the battlefield to take up arms again has always been a fundamental incident of waging war,as explained by Justice O’Connor’s plurality opinion in Hamdi.
The law of war, including the Geneva Conventions, has always recognized that uniformed members of an enemy army may be detained as prisoners of war until the end of the hostilities without charges, trial or access to counsel. The purpose of such detention is to prevent their
return to the battlefield and does not depend upon any determination that they have committed any wrongdoing. The law of war also recognizes that there may be individuals captured fighting in an armed conflict who may not be entitled to prisoner of war status because they have not abided by rules, such as wearing uniforms and carrying their arms openly, that are intended to allow their identification as enemy soldiers.
Such irregular combatants, while they will not be entitled to immunity for acts of killing (unlike enemy soldiers) may also be detained until the end of the conflict.
Posted by bluelyon on June 27, 2009 at 8:46 am
America’s criminal law does not apply to enemy combatants
and
The law of war, including the Geneva Conventions, has always recognized that uniformed members of an enemy army may be detained as prisoners of war until the end of the hostilities without charges, trial or access to counsel.
Dearie, you can’t have it both ways. Either they are prisoners of war or ‘enemy combatants’ – a term that was made up out of whole cloth by the Bush administration because they didn’t want the detainees to have the rights they were allowed by the Geneva Conventions.
America is at war with Al Qaeda.
Really? Where is the country of Al Qaeda? With whom do we negotiate the peace treaty to end the ‘war?’ Al Qaeda are terrorists, criminals, and should be treated as such.
Please read this post on the history of western jurisprudence. Then maybe we can talk.
Posted by Ben on June 27, 2009 at 11:13 am
Well, little miss, although Al Qaeda is not a country it doesn’t have to be to declare war against it. As you are well aware, it is an organization which has in some cases state sponsorship which arguably makes it an arm of the host government or, if you will, the host country. So by extension it’s easy to see why we declared war on Afghanistan and the controlling government, the Taliban.
Furthermore, to clarify your point about their members being terrorists and criminals, they are collectively known as an army and therefore “combatants”. It is irrelevant that some members may be terrorists and criminals.
An “enemy combatant” is an individual who, under the laws and customs of war, may be detained for the duration of an armed conflict. In the current conflict with al Qaida and the Taliban, the term includes a member, agent, or associate of al Qaida or the Taliban. In applying this definition, the United States government has acted consistently with the observation of the Supreme Court of the United States in Ex parte Quirin, 317 U.S. 1, 37-38 (1942): “Citizens who associate themselves with the military arm of the enemy government, and with its aid, guidance and direction enter this country bent on hostile acts are enemy belligerents within the meaning of the Hague Convention and the law of war.”
“Enemy combatant” is a general category that subsumes two sub-categories: lawful and unlawful combatants. See Quirin, 317 U.S. at 37-38. Lawful combatants receive prisoner of war (POW) status and the protections of the Third Geneva Convention. Unlawful combatants do not receive POW status and do not receive the full protections of the Third Geneva Convention. (The treatment accorded to unlawful combatants is discussed below).
The President has determined that al Qaida members are unlawful combatants because (among other reasons) they are members of a non-state actor terrorist group that does not receive the protections of the Third Geneva Convention. He additionally determined that the Taliban detainees are unlawful combatants because they do not satisfy the criteria for POW status set out in Article 4 of the Third Geneva Convention. Although the President’s determination on this issue is final, courts have concurred with his determination.
In the end, we should be more concerned about Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano who may believe you might be a left-wing extremists bordering on sedition.
Posted by bluelyon on June 27, 2009 at 1:52 pm
In the end, we should be more concerned about Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano who may believe you might be a left-wing extremists bordering on sedition.
Ben, this may be the only thing we agree on. You see, when I stick up for civil rights I mean mine and yours, regardless of what side of the political fence we are on.
As for the rest of your argument, you haven’t told me anything that I haven’t already heard. Better legal minds than mine have found those arguments wanting. And so do I.
Posted by SarahF on June 27, 2009 at 9:12 am
Where is Naomi Wolf? Haven’t heard a peep from her since Obama was elected.
Posted by SarahF on June 27, 2009 at 9:14 am
A synopsis of Wolf’s book “The End of America” from Wikipedia.
In The End of America: A Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot, Wolf takes a historical look at the rise of Fascism, outlining the 10 steps necessary for a Fascistic group (or government) to destroy the democratic character of a nation-state and subvert the social/political liberty previously exercised by its citizens:
Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy.
Create secret prisons where torture takes place.
Develop a thug caste or paramilitary force not answerable to citizens.
Set up an internal surveillance system.
Harass citizens’ groups.
Engage in arbitrary detention and release.
Target key individuals.
Control the press.
Treat all political dissidents as traitors.
Suspend the rule of law.[29]
Posted by bluelyon on June 27, 2009 at 9:17 am
Actually, she is mentioned in the comments in the Greenwald post linked above. She doesn’t have good things to say. ETA: Actually, she is mentioned as saying something in a New Yorker article from last year. I’ll have to do some digging to see if she’s raised her head lately.
Posted by bluelyon on June 27, 2009 at 6:39 pm
I found Naomi Wolf! She’s over at Harper’s Bazaar telling us how Angelina Jolie is our ideal.
Pardon me while I go barf.
Posted by Ben on June 27, 2009 at 11:34 am
Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy.
(The current economic meltdown and the “need” for government to “intervene”)
Create secret prisons where torture takes place.
(Name it please. I honestly want to know where this takes place. Please don’t name events like shooting up Mohamed Qatani, the so-called “20th hijacker,” with saline solution to make him urinate on himself, or threaten him with dogs in order to find out whether he ever met Osama bin Laden. Don’t cite incidents which by comparison make a college hazing initiation look like Hitler’s torture chambers. I want to read about treatment on the order of what John McCain received while he was a POW, “protected” by the Geneva Convention.)
Develop a thug caste or paramilitary force not answerable to citizens.
That would be any one of the “Tsars” of the Obama administration which were appointed without nomination hearings.)
Set up an internal surveillance system.
(Obama’s desire to create a “civilian national security force”.)
Harass citizens’ groups.
(See the Department of Homeland Security’s assessment that Americans are terrorists, no matter which side of the political fence you happen to be sitting on.)
Engage in arbitrary detention and release.
(Name it. To be accurate, it has to be arbitrary and they must be released.)
Target key individuals.
(See the Department of Homeland Security, FBI, NSA, CIA,
Control the press.
(References the recent “unprecedented” CBS coverage of Obama’s selling of his national health-care program from the “exclusive” confines of the White House. See also of the desire of Dems to advance the “Fairness Doctrine”)
Treat all political dissidents as traitors.
(Sedition committed by protesters interfering with the shipment of supplies destined for our troops overseas.)
Suspend the rule of law.
(See on-going disregard for the US Constitution. See also Obama’s refusal to submit his BC to the public for all to see so that this issue is killed once and for all.)
Posted by bluelyon on June 27, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Aside from your obliqueness regarding secret prisons which Obama has admitted to, I am in agreement with you on everything. I am appalled at all of it. Read my blog, you’ll see it. Start with clicking on the “Civil Liberties” category. Click on “Feet to the Fire.”
My complaints about the Obama administration is that not only is he continuing the trashing of the U.S. Constitution* that really hit it’s stride in the Bush administration, but is indeed claiming more than Bush would have dreamed of.
This isn’t about Party. It’s about principle.
Oh, and the Fairness Doctrine? Yeah, that needs to brought back. Of course, it only applies to the public airwaves, not cable or satellite, so I’m not sure what you’re worried about.
*Actually this trampling on our rights to be secure in our persons and free from unreasonable search and seizuer really had its beginnnings under Reagan and subsequent administrations which supported allowing employers to test prospective employees for drug use, allowed random drug testing of employees (with no probable cause), then expanded to testing school children in order to participate in school activities, and on and on and on. And we let them do it. Why? Because they made us afraid, in oh so many ways.
Posted by bluelyon on June 27, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Oh, and the birth certificate BS? You’ve just earned “moderated commenter” status.