Clueless


Providing health care for all is “going backwards?”  Heartless bastard.

Email exchange between me and a supposedly “progressive” male friend. Sent before yesterday’s vote and under the subject line “One More Chance” said progressive sends me this Truthout article and pulls this quote: 

Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 7:50 AM

´The congressman also said he doesn’t accept the decision to remove the amendment from the bill, and he said that there would be one more chance for the American people to push for a single-payer system.

“Once the health care bill passes the House, and the Senate passes its version, the two bills will go to a Conference Committee,” Kucinich said. “It is at this point that we will have one more chance. We need to insist that the Kucinich Amendment be included in the Conference Committee report, since that is what will ultimately become law.”

I’m thinking mebbe, but doubtful.  I write back:

Sent: Sat 11/7/2009 5:26 PM

Lessee – Pelosi wouldn’t even give Weiner the 20 minutes she’d previously promised him but is willing to side with the US Catholic Bishops to disallow any poor woman to get an abortion through any insurance plan that may receive federal funds either directly or indirectly through “subsidies (tax credits)” and delusional Kucinich thinks his amendment is going to get into the bill in conference? Has a bill EVER gotten BETTER in conference?

Stick a fork in it.  This bill is dead. Or should I say, hope for Americans is dead.

I am beyond disgusted.

I also foward him the email from HealthJustice linked in my post below and write:

Sent: Sat 11/7/2009 5:44 PM

Read email below….in light of what I just wrote you about Pelosi and the Catholic Bishops. I highlighted the paragraph.

No debate for Weiner’s amendment, yet she allows debate and vote on Stupak’s amendment. 

Now it gets interesting. He writes back today (my emphasis):

Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:26 AM

Pelosi is Catholic…duh? Please take this with perspective. I know HC is a big issue. I, personally, believe that it is being used to deflect debate from issues much more dear to our freedom(s).

1). Warrentless wiretapping

2). Leaving bushco appointed fed attorneys in place nationwide…they dictate what cases are prosecuted.

3). Torture

4). Posse Comitatus/habeus corpus

5). All things financial

6). Anti-trust a la FCC, SEC, FTC, FDA

7). Iraq/Afghanistan

8). Executive orders/signing statements from previous criminals in charge

 Health care has completely sucked all oxygen from discussion of the above…as ‘they’ continue dictatorial endeavors. 

Jus’ sayin’…

As you can well understand, I was a a bit put off (okay, I was pissed) by the condescending “take this with perspective” comment, so I replied (judiciously utilizing ALL CAPS for in hopes of encouraging some reading comprehension on his part):

Sent: Sun 11/8/2009 1:04 PM

Uh no. Obama has no intention of doing anything about those issues either. This is NOT either/or.

For the record: Pelosi voted against the amendment – so her true colors are all about getting enough votes to pass this POS legislation. After saying there would be no vote on Single Payer SO THAT other amendments SUCH AS THOSE THAT COULD RESTRICT WOMEN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE [could not be introduced], she then scuttles single payer amendments and ALLOWS an amendment that RESTRICTS A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE. 

 I repeat. This is not an Either / Or. And frankly, I am fucking sick of women always being told that there is something (ALWAYS SOMETHING) that is more important than their rights, that has to be dealt with RIGHT NOW, so ladies, either get with “our” program or go sit down over there, be quiet, and we’ll get to you after we finish with whatever it is we deem more important than your rights. 

Fuck That.

Out here in the wild and woolies of Nevada, we rely heavily on volunteers to do jobs that actually earn a paycheck for people living in the metropolitan areas. Volunteers are our  jewels and we know that they sacrifice time and treasure for the communities they love. We are grateful for their dedication and often fail to acknowledge them for the good they do. But we never, ever disrespect them.

Needless to say I have never regretted my support for Alan Veil for Sheriff. I did not support Larry McPherson for County Commission because I felt he didn’t have the chops for the job.

Alan Veil is no hothead, so for him to call out McPherson so publicly says a lot.

Veil accused McPherson, a long-time public announcer for the Nevada Day Parade, of unprofessional and inappropriate comments directed at the Lyon County Search & Rescue Unit as it drove past his announcing stand during this past Saturday’s event. 

According to Veil, as the unit approached McPherson’s reviewing stand, McPherson diverted from the prepared script describing the Search & Rescue Unit’s history of volunteerism and President Lincoln theme associated with this year’s parade and, instead, noted, “Look at that pretty new truck.  They should thank the county commissioners for that.  It cost the County $65,000.”  He did not finish reading the prepared announcement. 

Veil said the fallout from McPherson’s comments has been immediate and Search & Rescue volunteers are embarrassed and incensed.  He said several members have approached the Unit Commander in regards to “the disdain conveyed by McPherson.” 

“This type of action pushes volunteers away and hinders us in our mission.  We will have to fight to bring morale back into line after this ignorant display of a lack of appreciation for our volunteers by this announcer.” 

Referring directly to McPherson, Veil stated, “Commissioner McPherson, I have heard some unprofessional comments out of you in the past, but never have I heard you treat our own people with such an uncaring attitude and lack of respect.  How dare you treat our people that way?  You should be ashamed of yourself for such a public display.  You owe our Search & Rescue people, and the other employees and citizens of Lyon County alike, a public apology.”

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According to Veil, the Unit has been working to replace their old, worn out, unreliable equipment “a little at a time” and that volunteers have donated countless hours to conducting searches and assisting the Sheriff’s Office in numerous ways.  He noted activities of the past 10 months included: 

  • Responded to 24 missions
  • Provided staffing at Lahontan Reservoir on Memorial Day; 4th of July; and several community functions
  • Put over 19,000 miles on personal vehicles
  • Accounted for over 8,000 hours volunteer time
  • In totaling the above, donated over $365,000 in time and money to Lyon County

When I first heard the news, I thought it was a story from The Onion. Nope. It’s real.

The Nobel Committee just turned themselves into a big joke. That is some powerful hopium they are smoking.

U.S. President Barack Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize on Friday for giving the world “hope for a better future” and striving for nuclear disarmament, in a surprise award that drew both warm praise and sharp criticism.

The decision to bestow one of the world’s top accolades on a president less than nine months into his first term, who has yet to score a major foreign policy success, was greeted with gasps of astonishment from journalists at the announcement in Oslo.

The Norwegian Nobel Committee praised Obama for “his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples.” But critics — especially in parts of the Arab and Muslim world — called its decision premature.

The criticism isn’t just in the Arab and Muslim world. Holey cow. I had no idea that less than nine months on the job quailifed one to be a Nobel Laureate. Seriously, what extraordinary efforts? Making speeches?  What peace talks has he organized? What disarmament has he called for? The man is expanding the war in Afghanistan, following in George W. Bush tracks in the civil liberties area, and defends torture, for pete’s sake.

If Obama had actually accomplished something, rather than “hoping”  or “striving” for it, I’d get it. I do not get this. At. All.

The Guardian compares Obama to previous winners (pulled from their Excel spreadsheet). 

Year

Winner, 1 Shared Winner, 2 Winning the prize for

1901

Jean Henri Dunant Frédéric Passy Founder of the International Committee of the Red Cross, Geneva; Initiator of the Geneva Convention and founder and President of the first French peace society (since 1889 it has been called the Société Francaise pour l’arbitrage entre nations).

1902

Élie Ducommun Charles Albert Gobat Honorary Secretary of the Permanent International Peace Bureau, Berne and Secretary General of the Inter-Parliamentary Union, Berne. Honorary Secretary of the Permanent International Peace Bureau, Berne.

1903

Sir William Randal Cremer   Member of the British Parliament. Secretary of the International Arbitration League .

1904

Institute Of International Law   A scientific society.

1905

Baroness Bertha Sophie Felicita Von Suttner   Writer. Hon. President of the Permanent International Peace Bureau, Berne. Author of Die Waffen Nieder (Lay Down Your Arms).

1906

Theodore Roosevelt   President of the United States of America. Drew up the 1905 peace treaty between Russia and Japan.

1907

Ernesto Teodoro Moneta, Louis Renault  President of the Lombard League of Peace and Professor International Law, Sorbonne University, Paris.

1908

Klas Pontus Arnoldson Fredrik Bajer Former Member of the Swedish Parliament. Founder of the Swedish Peace and Arbitration League, honorary President of the Permanent International Peace Bureau, Berne.

1909

Auguste Marie Franois Beernaert Paul Henribenjamin Balluet D’estournelles De Constant, Baron De Constant De Rebecque Former Prime Minister and member of the Cour Internationale d’Arbitrage (International Court of Arbitration) at the Hague. Member of the French Parliament. Founder and President of the French parliamentary group for international arbitration, founder of the Committee for the Defense of National Interests and International Conciliation

1910

Permanent International Peace Bureau    

1911

Tobias Michael Carel Asser Alfred Hermann Fried Initiator of the International Conferences of Private Law at the Hague and founder of the peace journal Die Waffen Nieder (later renamed Die Friedenswarte).

1912

Elihu Root   Former Secretary of State. Initiator of several arbitration agreements.

1913

Henri La Fontaine   Member of the Belgian Parliament. President of the Permanent International Peace Bureau, Berne.

1914

No Award    

1915

No Award    

1916

No Award    

1917

International Committee Of The Redcross    

1918

No Award    

1919

Thomas Woodrow Wilson   Founder of the League of Nations

1920

Leon Victor Auguste Bourgeois   Former Secretary of State. President of the Parliament. President of the Council of the League of Nations

1921

Karl Hjalmar Branting Christian Lous Lange  

1922

Fridtjof Nansen   Scientist. Explorer. Norwegian Delegate to Societe des Nations (League of Nations). Originator of the Nansen passports (for refugees).

1923

No Award    

1924

No Award    

1925

Sir Austen Chamberlain Charles Gates Dawes Negotiator of the Locarno Treaty and chairman of the Allied Reparation Commission. Originator of the Dawes Plan .

1926

Aristide Briand Gustav Stresemann Negotiator of the Locarno Treaty and the Briand-Kellogg Pact.

1927

Ferdinand Buisson Ludwig Quidde Founder and President of the Ligue des Droits de l’Homme (League for Human Rights) and member of Germany’s constituent assembly 1919. Delegate to numerous peace conferences.

1928

No Award    

1929

Frank Billings Kellogg    

1930

Lars Olof Nathan (Jonathan) Soderblom   Leader of the ecumenical movement.

1,931.00

Jane Addams Nicholas Murray Butler Promoter of the Briand-Kellogg Pact.

1932

No Award    

1933

Sir Norman Angell (Ralph Lane)   Member of the Executive Committee of the League of Nations and the National Peace Council. Author of the book The Great Illusion, among others.

1934

Arthur Henderson   Chairman of the League of Nations Disarmament Conference 1932-1934.

1935

Carl Von Ossietzky   Journalist (with Die Die Weltbühne, among others), pacifist.

1936

Carlos Saavedra Lamas   Meditator in a conflict between Paraguay and Bolivia in 1935.

1937

Lord Edgar Algernon Robert Gascoyne   Writer, Former Lord Privy Seal. Founder and President of the International Peace Campaign.

1938

Nansen International Office For Refugees   International relief organization in Geneva started by Fridtjof Nansen in 1921.

1939

No Award    

1940

No Award    

1941

No Award    

1942

No Award    

1943

No Award    

1944

International Committee Of The Red Cross    

1945

Cordell Hull   One of the initiators of the United Nations.

1946

Emily Greene Balch John Raleigh Mott Honorary International President Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom and Chairman of the first International Missionary Council, President of the World Alliance of Young Men’s Christian Associations

1947

The Quakers The Quakers  

1948

No Award    

1949

Lord John Boyd Orr Of Brechin   Physician, Alimentary Politician, prominent organizer and Director General Food and Agricultural Organization, President National Peace Council and World Union of Peace Organizations.

1950

Ralph Bunche   Professor Harvard University, Cambridge, MA, Director of the UN Division of Trusteeship, Acting Mediator in Palestine 1948.

1951

Leon Jouhaux   France, President of the trade union C.G.T. President of the International Committee of the European Council, Vice President of the International Confederation of Free Trade Unions, Vice President of the World Federation of Trade Unions, member of the ILO Council, delegate to the UN.

1952

Albert Schweitzer   Missionary surgeon, Founder Lambaréné Hospital in Republique du Gabon.

1953

George Catlett Marshall   General, President American Red Cross, ex-Secretary of State and of Defense, Delegate to the U.N., Originator of the Marshall Plan.

1954

Office Of The United Nations High Commissioner For Refugees Geneva   an international relief organization, founded by U.N. in 1951.

1955

No Award    

1956

No Award    

1957

Lester Bowles Pearson   former Secretary of State for External Affairs of Canada, President 7th Session of the United Nations General Assembly .

1958

Georges Henri Pire   Belgium, Father of the Dominican Order, Leader of the relief organization for refugees, l’Europe du Coeur au Service du Monde.

1959

Philip J. Noel-Baker   Great Britain, Member of Parliament, life long ardent worker for international peace and co-operation .

1960

Albert John Lutuli   President of the South Africal liberation movement, the African National Congress.

1961

Dag Hjalmar Agne Carl Hammarskjold   Secretary General of the United Nations (awarded the Prize posthumously).

1962

Linus Carl Pauling, California Institute Of Technology, Pasadena, Ca.   Campaigner especially for an end to nuclear weapons tests.

1,963.00

Nternational Committee Of The Redcross League Of Red Cross Societies  

1964

Martin Luther King Jr.   leader of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, campaigner for civil rights.

1965

United Nations Children’s Fund (Unicef)   An international aid organization.

1966

No Award    

1967

No Award    

1968

Rene Cassin   President of the European Court for Human Rights .

1969

International Labour Organization (Ilo) Geneva.    

1970

Norman Borlaug   Led research at the International Maize and Wheat Improvement Center, Mexico City.

1971

Willy Brandt   Initiator of West Germany’s Ostpolitik, embodying a new attitude towards Eastern Europe and East Germany.

1972

No Award    

1973

Henry A. Kissinger Le Duc Tho (Declined The Prize.) for jointly negotiating the Vietnam peace accord in 1973.

1974

Sean Macbride Eisaku Sato  

1975

Andrei Dmitrievich Sakharov   Soviet nuclear physicist. Campaigner for human rights.

1976

Betty Williams Mairead Corrigan Founders of the Northern Ireland Peace Movement (later renamed Community of Peace People).

1977

Amnesty International London, Great Britain   A worldwide organization for the protection of the rights of prisoners of conscience.

1978

Mohamed Anwar Al-Sadat, President Of The Arab Republic Of Egypt   for jointly negotiating peace between Egypt and Israel.

1979

Mother Teresa India   Leader of the Order of the Missionaries of Charity.

1980

Adolfo Perez Esquivel   Argentina, architect, sculptor and human rights leader.

1981

Office Of The United Nations High Commissioner For Refugees    

1982

Alva Myrdal Alfonso Garcia Robles Former Cabinet Minister, diplomat, delegate to United Nations General Assembly on Disarmament, writer and diplomat, delegate to the United Nations General Assembly on Disarmament, former Secretary for Foreign Affairs .

1983

Lech Walesa   Poland. Founder of Solidarity, campaigner for human rights.

1984

Desmond Mpilo Tutu   South Africa, Bishop of Johannesburg, former Secretary General South African Council of Churches (S.A.C.C.). For his work against apartheid.

1985

International Physicians For The Prevention Of Nuclear War    

1986

Elie Wiesel   U.S.A., Chairman of ‘The President’s Commission on the Holocaust’. Author, humanitarian.

1987

Oscar Arias Sanchez   Costa Rica, President of Costa Rica, initiator of peace negotiations in Central America.

1988

The United Nations Peace-Keeping Forces    

1989

The 14th Dalai Lama (Tenzin Gyatso)   Tibet. Religious and political leader of the Tibetan people.

1990

Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev   President of the USSR helped to bring the Cold War to an end.

1991

Aung San Suu Kyi   Oppositional leader, human rights advocate.

1992

Rigoberta Menchu Tum    Campaigner for human rights, especially for indigenous peoples.

1993

Nelson Mandela Fredrik Willem De Klerk  

1994

Yasser Arafat   for their efforts to create peace in the Middle East.

1,995.00

Joseph Rotblat The Pugwash Conferences On Science And World Affairs for their efforts to diminish the part played by nuclear arms in international politics and in the longer run to eliminate such arms.

1996

Carlos Felipe Ximenes Belo Jose Ramos-Horta for their work towards a just and peaceful solution to the conflict in East Timor.

1997

International Campaign To Ban Landmines (Icbl) Jody Williams for their work for the banning and clearing of anti-personnel mines.

1998

John Hume David Trimble for their efforts to find a peaceful solution to the conflict in Northern Ireland.

1999

Doctors Without Borders (Médecins Sans Frontières)    

2000

Kim Dae Jung   for his work for democracy and human rights in South Korea and in East Asia in general, and for peace and reconciliation with North Korea in particular.

2001

United Nations, New York, NY, Usa Kofi Annan, United Nations Secretary General  

2002

Jimmy Carter Jr.   former President of the United States of America, for his decades of untiring effort to find peaceful solutions to international conflicts, to advance democracy and human rights, and to promote economic and social development

2003

Shirin Ebadi   for her efforts for democracy and human rights

2004

Wangari Maathai   for her contribution to sustainable development, democracy and peace

2005

International Atomic Energy Agency Mohamed Elbaradei for their efforts to prevent nuclear energy from being used for military purposes and to ensure that nuclear energy for peaceful purposes is used in the safest possible way.

2006

Muhammad Yunus Grameen Bank for their efforts to create economic and social development from below.

2007

Intergovernmental Panel On Climate Change (Ipcc) Albert Arnold Gore Jr. for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change.

2008

Martti Ahtisaari   for his important efforts, on several continents and over more than three decades, to resolve international conflicts.

2009

Barack Obama   President of the US for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples

 

The Globe provides a rundown of some of the other nominees the committee ignored in order to belly up to the Koolaid Bar.

Well, I’ve read it. Can’t see what all the fuss has been about.  Yeah, yeah, lesson plans, yada, yada.  In my personal opinion, it isn’t anything these kids haven’t been hearing in assemblies and student/teacher conferences all their lives. So, I’m so-so on the content.  I think it’s hard to write a speech that is meant to be heard by kids from 5-17, so there’s that. I think it’s a bit long and Obama’s gonna lose kids. Further, I think the novelty of Obama’s speechifying has worn off a bit and if he delivers it using a teleprompter, as I believe he will, I don’t think that’s gonna impress these kids.  Give me a break, they’ve watched comedians do hour-long standup with no cheat sheets.

And I can also understand any parent wanting to keep their child home, for whatever reason. That is their right as a parent.

Given all that, WTF? Whole school districts are refusing to broadcast the speech because some parents pissed and moaned and didn’t want to take responsibility for their own child and keep them out of school on their own dime? And school districts went along with this? They didn’t turn around and say, “Kiss my ass, Mr. and Mrs. I-haven’t-got-a-clue-about-the-concept-of-free-speech. This is America. And we don’t censor. Period. There are greater principles at heart here. And one of them is we don’t give in to bullies. You want to keep your child home? Fine. We’ll take the per student $$ loss for the day. But don’t come bitching to me when Johnny doesn’t have a textbook or paper because of your kneejerk reaction to the speech.”

Barack, you really need to get off the teevee and get to work. Stop stumping and making speeches. You won. But now you’ve got a broken economy, health care to reform, two wars, and much more. I don’t want to see you on the boob tube every time I turn around.  And I most especially don’t want to see you doing promos for television shows. Seriously. Do we need to do an intervention?  

(H/T to Wonk the Vote at The Confluence)

Honest to Pete.

In this friendly little ranching town, “hello” is wearing out its welcome. And Leonso Canales Jr. is happy as heck.

At his urging, the Kleberg County commissioners on Monday unanimously designated “heaven-o” as the county’s official greeting. The reason: “hello” contains the word “hell.”

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On Thursday, courthouse employees were answering the phones, “heaven-o.” And the chamber of commerce was working on a campaign promoting Kingsville, a Rio Grande Valley town of 25,000, as a “heavenly” place to visit.

What is frustrating about this whole Palin-Letterman brouhaha is that there are so many people that want to make this Just About Sarah. It’s not. It is about all women.  Just so you know, we women can stick up for ourselves. Sarah can handle herself, and she’s proven it over and over again.  But yeah, we need you guys to have our backs too, just like Somerby does below. We need to know that you guys “get it.” 

Somerby on Olbermann, Palin, Letterman and sexual politics:

That same day, we had posted a fairly obvious comment, one we’ll amplify now. Most American liberals have very refined senses of “racial politics” (that’s good). Most people understand: There are painful, ugly ancestral insults which simply can’t be tolerated.

That’s good! But when it comes to “sexual politics,” many folk lack the first earthly clue. (Truly, it’s quite remarkable.) Olbermann and Letterman keep raising their hands to let Teacher know that they qualify.

Olbermann has been comically awful in this realm for years. No one loves insulting and ridiculing women—preferably, young women—quite the way this multimillionaire does. For our money, he maintained the cluelessness Wednesday night, even as he tried to showcase his lofty, high-minded good judgment.

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Asked about the quip on a radio show, Palin, maintaining good humor, had pretended to scold: “Pretty pathetic, David Letterman!” Might we say what is blindingly obvious? For once in her year-long national life, Palin had something right! But how does Ole Massah respond to such matters? Olbermann played tape of her comment, then (Howard) sternly opined:

OLBERMANN (6/10/09): That is pretty much a tin-ear response from the governor. But frankly, was the word “slutty” really needed, let alone appropriate?

Too perfect! According to Ole Massah, it’s a “tin-ear response” when Palin speaks up, even in a good-natured tone. But it’s A-OK when Ole Massah himself instantly states the same judgment! But then, boys like Olbermann have behaved this way all through the annals of time. In their heads, the little ladies simply mustn’t complain. We Big Men will do all the talking.

How empty is this show’s “sexual politics?” Soon, Crawford was teaching the ABCs of gender insult to his slow-as-molasses host. Poor KO! Puzzling hard about which words are fair, he asked the world’s dumbest question:

OLBERMANN: The joke about the governor, which [Letterman] did not address apparently—we only had these excerpts from his taping tonight: Is it in fact appropriate to use that one word, “slutty,” in any joke about a woman politician, or should that be out of bounds?

CRAWFORD: I think it’s probably out of bounds. The global language monitor today—we learned the English language now has one million words. So there were maybe some others to choose, or maybe leave it out all together. Of course, it’s also an insult to flight attendants.

OLBERMANN: Yes.

Poor Craig had to tell our slowest boy that no, you can’t call women “slutty.” (Correcting Craig, who was probably trying to be polite: Since the whole point of the “joke” was to call Palin slutty, there really was no “other word” Letterman could have chosen.)

All this said, do you see what we meant in Wednesday’s post about the lack of any sexual politics? By now, everyone knows that people simply can’t toss racial insults around. Everyone knows what those words would be; for obvious reasons, liberals are quick to reject them. But Olbermann, dumb as a very cold rock, still doesn’t know about gender-based insults. Is “slutty” a word we can use? He wondered, on Wednesday night’s program.

Then surely he must be aware that the flu originated in swine, right? Right? I had to double check to make sure this wasn’t from The Onion.

Israeli official: Swine flu name offensive

The outbreak of swine flu should be renamed “Mexican” influenza in deference to Muslim and Jewish sensitivities over pork, said an Israeli health official Monday.

Deputy Health Minister Yakov Litzman said the reference to pigs is offensive to both religions and “we should call this Mexican flu and not swine flu,” he told a news conference at a hospital in central Israel.

Banging head against keyboard.

myiq2xu has a great post up at The Confluence  about the poor put-upon bankers who are unhappy that they may be required to face some sort of salary restriction. He quotes a Guardian article which quotes on of these misbegotten souls as saying:

Regulation is generally bad. You should let the market decide what the people will get paid,” said Matthew Prest, managing director at Close Brothers investment bank. “Sometimes regulation has the opposite effect of what you want and I think bankers’ salaries regulation would fall under that category. I don’t hear anybody calling for Hollywood star salary caps. This is a trendy, fashionable thing to do, it will have bad consequences.

Hmmm. Let’s take a look at what Matthew is doing here. There are a couple of logical fallacies at play:  We’ve got a Non-Sequitur, some Special Pleading, and a Red Herring thrown in for good measure.

Non Sequitur“…a non sequitur, the conclusion can be either true or false, but the argument is a fallacy because the conclusion does not follow from the premise.”

Special pleading: “Special pleading is a form of spurious argumentation where a position in a dispute introduces favorable details or excludes unfavorable details by alleging a need to apply additional considerations without proper criticism of these considerations themselves. Essentially, this involves someone attempting to cite something as an exemption to a generally accepted rule, principle, etc. without justifying the exemption.”

“Sometimes regulation has the opposite effect of what you want and I think bankers’ salaries regulation would fall under that category.”

Even if, as Matthew asserts, regulation doesn’t always lead to the result hoped for (and within this assertion we’ve got another logical fallacy - brownie points if you can figure out which one), it does not follow that bankers’ salaries should be exempted from regulation and others should not. Special pleading and non sequitur rolled up into one sentence.

Red Herring:   A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to “win” an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic.”

“I don’t hear anybody calling for Hollywood star salary caps.”

Matthew seeks to divert the discussion. Classic red herring. Movie stars salaries have nothing to do with bailed out bankers salaries, but let’s run with it, shall we? First of all, Matthew says that the “market [should] decide what the people will get paid.”  He then conflates the call for regulation of bankers salaries with the “non-regulation” of movie stars salaries.

Well Matthew, when it comes to movie stars the market does decide their salaries.  One, they are paid PER MOVIE and often with a rider giving them a percentage of the gross (translation: cash-on-the-barrel-head ticket sales). If there are no ticket sales, there are no residuals. Second, when an actor starts piling up a bunch of loser movies he or she become box office poison to the directors and producers and said movie star is no longer “rewarded” for previous profitability.  We don’t see any private board of directors continuing to throw money at them and promising them golden parachutes regardless of the job they did on their last movie. Nor are taxpayers footing the bill.

Hollywood, and the participants in it, stands and fails on its own. If we, the movie going public, continue to support Hollywood with our discretionary income then what the hell are you talking about Matthew?  The same goes for the exhorbitant salaries of sports figures. I don’t get it, as I’m not a sports fan, but that is Matthew’s blessed “market” at work.

Now, Matthew, let’s look at your industry’s performance. You’ve had the run of the place for years now. You’ve literally brought the world economy to its knees with all your  Ponzi schemes special “instruments” hidden in so much obsfuscatory legalese and you’ve literally lost people’s retirement funds, sending many into bankruptcy, and you have the fucking nerve to try to dictate the terms of the bailout? Cry me a river.

It is the taxpayers who are bailing out yours and your compadres sorry asses. Not the “market. ” So yeah, I think we get some sort of say so in not only the limits of your salaries, but your bonuses too. That you and your kind want to call this a “witch hunt” is beyond my compehension. How do you all fit your balls into your pants every day?

myiq2xu and I are not the only ones seething.

Riverdaughter:  Sunday: Ask not for whom the pitchfork comes.  She steps it up a notch and points her laser beam right where it belongs: the people who could have prevented this.

Not so fast.  The real target of my rage isn’t the banker who is by nature reckless, selfish and greedy.  Oh, no, not by a long shot.  My anger is directed at the people who were supposed to keep the beasts caged in the first place.  Sure, it would have been nice to let them play in a natural habitat setting where they could fell a few hapless antelope.  But someone should have been keeping an eye on the electric fence.  *THAT’S* who I am sharpening my tines for.  And that would include Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, all of the Republicans who have served in Congress, Executive or Judicial branch in the past 30 years and YOU.”

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We have (had) rules in place for pension funds.  We had regulations on the insurance industry.  If the banking and insurance industry found ways around what regulation was left to fritter away money and didn’t take advantage of the insurance we the taxpayers provided, tough.  We are not responsible for protecting the lifestyles of the rich and shameless while the auto assembly line guy watches the only job he’s ever had get terminated because some rich asshole in the CEO’s office couldn’t think beyond the next quarter’s earnings. We know that it’s going to be painful to get out of this mess but for gawd’s sakes, don’t prolong it.  Every month, 600K+ people are losing their jobs, including lots of people we know.  Our patience is wearing thin.

Greenwald: Larry Summers, Tim Geithner and Wall Street’s ownership of government

Just think about how this works.  People like Rubin, Summers and Gensler shuffle back and forth from the public to the private sector and back again, repeatedly switching places with their GOP counterparts in this endless public/private sector looting.  When in government, they ensure that the laws and regulations are written to redound directly to the benefit of a handful of Wall St. firms, literally abolishing all safeguards and allowing them to pillage and steal.  Then, when out of government, they return to those very firms and collect millions upon millions of dollars, profits made possible by the laws and regulations they implemented when in government.  Then, when their party returns to power, they return back to government, where they continue to use their influence to ensure that the oligarchical circle that rewards them so massively is protected and advanced.  This corruption is so tawdry and transparent — and it has fueled and continues to fuel a fraud so enormous and destructive as to be unprecedented in both size and audacity — that it is mystifying that it is not provoking more mass public rage.

All of that leads to things like this, from today’s Washington Post:

The Obama administration is engineering its new bailout initiatives in a way that it believes will allow firms benefiting from the programs to avoid restrictions imposed by Congress, including limits on lavish executive pay, according to government officials. . . .

The administration believes it can sidestep the rules because, in many cases, it has decided not to provide federal aid directly to financial companies, the sources said. Instead, the government has set up special entities that act as middlemen, channeling the bailout funds to the firms and, via this two-step process, stripping away the requirement that the restrictions be imposed, according to officials. . . .

In one program, designed to restart small-business lending, President Obama’s officials are planning to set up a middleman called a special-purpose vehicle — a term made notorious during the Enron scandal — or another type of entity to evade the congressional mandates, sources familiar with the matter said.

If that isn’t illegal, it is as close to it as one can get.  And it is a blatant attempt by the White House to brush aside — circumvent and violate — the spirit if not the letter of Congressional restrictions on executive pay for TARP-receiving firms.”  

 How is this any different from Bush’s “signing statements” that would decide which portion of a bill they considered valid vs inoperative?  Read it all. And weep.

Finally, I am not at all encouraged by Obama’s unwillingness to fix blame  in this whole fiasco.  How do you fix something if you don’t know what’s wrong? Would I let my doctor prescribe medication for me without a diagnosis? Isn’t that “fixing blame?”  Why is it not the right thing to do in this case? We’ve got an economy on life support and the doctor doesn’t want to do any tests to figure out why? No biopsies? No surgery to remove any cancers? We just bury the patient in dollars and do nothing to correct the root problem? Of course, to fix blame would, in all likelihood, focus the spotlight directly on the United States, and we can’t have the rest of the world comparing our rhetoric to our actual actions (see Greenwald above and this).

I’m suffering from outrage overload and need to stop now.  I’ve just run out of words.

I’ve got carpets in need of vacuuming and a picnic planned with the kids for later this afternoon. Family time always helps my frame of mind.

 

 

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